kirkland vs pro v1 lawsuit

We want you to get the most out of your Have played my first ball a full 36 holes with little or no wear to the cover. Remaining outliers are identified using Median Absolute Deviation (both distance and offline), and dropped prior to the averages being calculated. These could well take a significant bite of the market share. With regard to your second question, the guys at the test center are double-checking, but I believe we did wind up with exactly the same numbers (it happens more than you’d think). Hireko, Diamond Tour, GolfWorks (among others) clubs. Thread starter Trini swinger; Start date Nov 16, 2016; Nov 16, 2016. Callaway, Taylormade and Titleist should be concerned about this golf ball offering out of a quality retail establishment. I know bs testing and ‘predetermined results’. Nearly any golfer knows this makes a huge difference in spin numbers. In this case, we found better to equivalent to slightly better average performance from the Kirkland at 25% of the cost. I don’t care one iota about Kirkland balls. I can see Rory Mcilroy and/or even Tiger Woods making the switch…..watch out PGA Tour…..the KS ball is coming……to your local Costco. I like these Kirkland Signature golf balls. For that matter, forget Iron Byron. So, is it possible for a ball that costs $15/dozen to compete with the #1 Ball in Golf? They should be around the 9,000-1-,000 rpm range. So not number 2… Or 3…etc . Thread starter #1. Not too many weekend hackers are going to pay almost $50.00 for brand name dozen who can’t break 90. Three (3) shots were hit with each ball, switching balls until 10-12 good shots were hit. They independently tested all of the models for a given season (2011, 2012…somewhere in there). Looks like K-Sigs are on back order (again). I have found who made it. That’s true with humans and robots. I play the Kirkland ball I was playing the prov1x and the Kirkland ball does the something. I have (11) 2-dz packs left (been selling like crazy, but keeping a pack for myself this time)…I have a set price, but open to discussing it directly… Just message me. We’ve shared those results. Launch data for both balls were extremely similar. I can’t speak to what other testing operations do, but we’ve gone to extensive lengths in our testing procedures (consistency) and number crunching (mathematically identifying and removing outliers). They didn’t sell well, and we believe that’s because they didn’t perform well. They seem to be sold out at all the costcos I’ve been able to find some for retail price on eBay. Personally, I love Bridgestone. However, the ball was a hit as well and so it stuck around and … I never spend more that 15 for a box of balls anyhow. I’ll stick with my Nike balls their $15 too. However, my inclination is to think it ironic that those against robotic / Iron Byron testing because people get different results would then be in favor of using an air cannon instead striking a ball with an actual club. Also, given that the testing conditions were identical for both balls, we believe that the comparison between the two is reliable. Vice Pro Soft Golf Balls. And probably a really good price. Let me start by saying I am a devoted Golf Spy reader and love everything they do for us that are involved in this wonderful game(while I spend a lot of $ trying to get better based on their advice…..lol). The Kirkland ball is a very good ball to me I’m a 4 handicap. The majority of players with those numbers fit into the Pro V1x more often. I can’t believe the demand this has caused…If anyone needs some? If you want to buy a mobile, you will definitely consult a friend who knows the best about it. What were the non-quantifiables like on the ball. We are seeing a shift. Need to find these balls. Distance is pure if not a little better- you don’t have to worry about not having enough club. Of the two dozen I’ve used, 2 we’re dud’s and then 1 was exceptionally hot. These balls are the real deal. OEMs would not sell to them unless it was a green grass. For the test group, Titleist Pro V1 flew just marginally faster and further with the 6 iron. Now who makes the ball for Kirkland? I just hope this makes it to Canada so that we can try it out. Incorrect. I think we all broke Costco.com! I switched to VICE pro golf balls about a year ago, buy them 3 dozen at a time for 25/dozen. I guess what I am saying is that if I am not working, I’m playing or practicing. There is nothing to worry if you do not g… Nice job; pretty convincing. Fantastic reports on the various golf boards I frequent. So, well done Costco you’ve given us a great product. New Aerodynamic Package A new spherically-tiled 388 tetrahedral dimple design has been optimised for the Pro V1 to maximize distance while delivering a penetrating and consistent flight. Using one ball takes the guesswork out of the equation. Great ball and a great price. The Prov1 is the number 1 selling ball. Eventually prices will increase so they can pay unbiased educators like yourself….. MGS rocks! http://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/the-top-golf-equipment-stories-of-2016. Most often there is some pattern but the basis for determining which piece of equipment is most likely to perform is based on technically accurate and comparable data. The most interestings, Nassau is supplying urethane golf ball to TMaG for tour player. Thanks. This is a brand name golf ball and at $15.00 a dozen they are better and longer and softer I’m looking forward to getting my 6 dozen. Thanks guys. Looks like we’re gonna have to load up on Kirkland balls…. But, they have many horses to feed in that stable. I’ve been testing the Snell’s. Totally agree, Matthew. This insight goes way beyond just golf. Don’t forget that if you are not satisfied with its durability, performance or you end up shooting 100+….you can simply return it! Like it. After Costco claimed that the Kirkland ball meets or exceeds the quality of the leading balls on the market, a lawsuit was filed by the manufacturer of the Titleist Pro-V1 over a violation of up to 10 patents. Peter Mazza What’s so negative about it? Yes I’ve got a friend that likes them. We’ve been over this one ad nauseam.” I have to wholeheartedly disagree. They are currently out of stock and won’t be available until after November 21st. Longer than prov1x for sure. Be it because of brand loyalty, skepticism over the data, lack of robots, whatever…that’s fine too. We’ll never get any if they keep selling out lol. Kirklands, I’ve yet to lay clubs on. I’m going to pick some up for next season methinks. I’ve hit Bridgestone and they’re a good ball but you can’t get them for $15 a dozen. The largest and most noticeable differences are found within the driver – the Kirkland ball flies almost a full 10 yards further. The currently available version of Kirkland Signature Golf Balls is the 3-Piece Performance Plus ball. I’ll take my Bridgestone Tour RX every day of the week. To be doubly sure of our results we ran the data through 2 different outlier detection engines. Was interested in the kirkland golf balls. For your reference, Jason day, Dustin johnson, Justin Rose and TMaG pro golfer are using TP and TPX golf ball. Anthony Smith, they will not be a stock item till spring, however, you apparently can get them at Costco.ca. Their arrogance and propaganda has plagued the growth of the game. So just a player based opinion…. From what I have heard the factories are chasing big normal retailers for sales not golf industry retailers,,,, they see them as the right size to justify the cost of manufacturer ,,,. Pretty comparable, They were sold out in the two stores I checked this week. I have to wait until they come to the UK where of course they will be more expensive, but if it’s £30 for two dozen I’ll still give them a go . swing speed – 80, 85, 90, etc, etc, etc, I play Kirkland now and they don’t have near the sidespin as ProV’s. How does a air cannon replicate the spin, which is also depending from the deformation? How would you determine the smash factor? If they ever make this baby in yellow, I’m all over it! Most people don’t research they just eat the hype. MYGOLFSPY nailed it on this one!!!!! It tests conformity. ... Only advanced and pro golfers will take better control of … In 2016, Kirkland golf balls took the market by storm with excellent reviews on its 3-piece ball. You have expertise at the small company level (Dean Snell), and you have expertise at the factory level overseas. http://www.costco.com.au/Common/ContactUs.shtml What a statement that says everything about you and your company. I live in Titleists back yard and don’t play them. Its whether or not it works for you. Damn hard to get, Costco is sold out right now. If I ever get to play again and will try a dozen. If you’re not a single digit, play what you like and can afford. …in regard of golf shafts I can understand, why a robot may not be the one and only solution… Kirkland Signature vs Pro V1. Never seen that before. No surprise GD doesn’t even mention the biggest golf ball story of the year! Kirkland golf balls the way to go. I probably should have mentioned in my previous reply. I’m wondering a lot about the durability as well. U a member at cosco? Seriously crazy price for the quality. For iron shots, these two balls perform equally with almost the same flying distance and spin. But we don’t. Nassau and their ball factory are very experienced, QC will be as good as any. My results are, the ball is just as long if not a bit longer and has more spin than the ball I was using (Taylormade X). I’d love to actually make money on golf balls. Try our used Kirkland golf balls & save money! Glad I bought 30 dozen, then after I gave or sold some to friends I went and bought 10 more dozen. While Costco’s Kirkland Signature ball had limited availability on two separate occasions in late 2016 and early 2017, and hasn’t really been seen since the spring, the two companies continue to battle in U.S. District Court in Seattle over patent-infringement questions. Many friends scoffed. $90 Nike golf shirts is absurd. In addition, I think I read where clubs were cleaned after every 3 shots and this introduces another extremely large variable related to spin. The Snell ball is a must try. Oh, sorry, did I forget to mention I also spent 18 years in T&E of military systems? With robots you get what you program, so again, how many scenarios do you cover: Do the math: Not to mention driver prices have basically stayed the same since the late 90’s and so have balls. As for the amount of conditions I would test – as many as possible to isolate variences. But here’s the greatest part of all of this: We’ve told you how tested. Hadn’t got a chance to watch yet, figured I’d tag you so I can go back to it. Can retire earlier hopefully?? Don’t trust the name, trust the results! None. Any suggestions? However, there’s no denying that this ball can’t compete with the best brands available in the golf market. It has nothing to do with the ball, rather the paradigm shift. According to the two parties’ proposed case schedule, the first pre-trial hearing over the key elements in the case is slated to begin next April. Coincidentally, if Titleist’s typical product schedule holds, the next version of the Pro V1 and Pro V1x, the balls whose patents Titleist is claiming that Costco’s Kirkland Signature ball violates, will debut in the marketplace about the same time this trial is scheduled to take place, two years after Costco’s original complaint was filed. Were the grooves full of dirt or clean? Agreed. The table above shows 6 iron Trackman data for the Kirkland and Titleist golf balls. Let me start by saying the ultimate proof is in the pudding (Karsten Solheim was famous for using this phrase). I would encourage you to read the shaft study by Dr. Sasho Mackenzie. I will order some today. If it’s not it will just be another cheap golf ball, Costco has been out of inventory for a month now. Hope this is a game changer from a pricing perspective but that is likely wishful thinking. It’s not as simple as affixing the club and hitting a button – it requires a sometimes exhaustive amount of precision – most people don’t realize that either. . I’m a fourteen and enjoy playing a “Kirkland” brand ball from Costco. Hell of a deal indeed. Where can I do this. Third, if you have testers with 15 handicap and 90 mph swing speed, just how do you get those ‘mean’ carry distances with ANY BALL. Written by Geoffrey Cooling; Updated July 26, 2019 Published July 20, 2019. The bottom line is 5 basic variables control all ball flight. The Pro V1x ZG Process Dual Core adds a new spherically tiled 328 tetrahedral dimple design that produces a higher trajectory which hold it’s line during heavy winds better than it’s predecessor. A premium golf ball can cost up to $4 to $5 a piece and sometimes only last a golfer a single hole. All the balls from Bridgestone, Srixon and others will face serious trouble (millions $) if the ball were to comeback. Thanks for your honest testing and feedback. For 29$ for 2 dz everyone can afford to try these, Must be working… ProVs marked down to $39. never heard of Nassau. Third, 50 years in the golf business means you are to old for anyone to give a crap about your opinion. The average player does hit it solid sometimes. Test results are as advertised! The ball that changed the ball! Not nearly high enough to back the ball up on greens. Peter Mazza No, Cleveland as a matter of fact. I am a Titleist fan but if the numbers are there, stats don’t lie as my friend always say, then there is no doubt about the performance of this Kirkland ball. Once you try this ball you will understand why it is very popular. Plus I like the distance gain and the price point. ? Hi, Looking at the pic of the balls cut in half, did the Kirkland balls scuff up more? It is to give a basis for who would want to try it. That said, with the whole of data within this test we see remarkable similarities. We’ve said from the beginning of this endeavor of ours that there’s no such thing as a perfect test. For sale $50! Reacts soft and true off the putter face. They forgot that nothing rolls like a ball. I tagged my brother in law because he’s plays golf for Westminster and only plays pro v1x. lol. The Snell MTB is superior to the Kirkland Signature in one very important area, in my opinion. Maybe, JUST maybe , some are understanding the old saying “You can’t buy a game ”. Cheers to Golf Spy! At the price of the u3/u4. They answered your question in the article. These are perfect for me, but not perfect for everybody. Whoops, you are quite right. Hopefully MyGolfSpy remains true to their convictions. These balls are just Korean knock offs. Once again do your research, see who we are and what we have been doing since the first day MGS started. Until then, you are gonna see things like identical spin rates from a #6 iron and SW. That likely means one of the two was not hit properly. , This article had me at “gross mishits”. That’s it Tony,,, Titleist have said in the past with their informal industry meetings that you can do nearly everything you want in a 3 piece let alone 4/5 or 6 ,,,,, what we have seen is basically no “real” improvements other than specification variations in the No 1 ball since 2000 ,,, 16 years of similar performance. Assuming they can keep them in stock I think these will put a large dent in the $25-35 per dozen balls. Kirkland Signature (Costco Brand) Golf Ball Outscores Prov1 - Independent Test Posted by Billy Mays on 11/7/16 at 3:03 pm 8 0 My Golf Spy Review Youtube Review Kirkland Balls btw - $15/doz @ Costco ProV1 - $48/doz Per the review, more driver distance (9 yards - dafuq), less driver spin, more wedge spin.

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